Bridge Collapse Havoc, the Peril of Infrastructure Failures - The Trucker's Lounge
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Bridge Collapse Havoc, the Peril of Infrastructure Failures - The Trucker's Lounge

When our roadways crumble and our bridges fall, lives and livelihoods hang in the balance. In our latest episode, we're unpacking the chaos wrought by a devastating bridge collapse in Baltimore, MD, and its ripple effects across the transportation sector, from trucking to maritime shipping. We're joined by an industry expert whose own experiences shed light on the enormity of maritime commerce and its susceptibility to infrastructure failures. It's a conversation that extends beyond the immediate disaster, probing into the depths of national infrastructure woes and the staggering financial strains they impose. But it's not all doom and gloom – we're also stirring up some levity with a lively segment on crafting the perfect homemade ginger ale, complete with tips and memorable tales from our own kitchen experiments.

As we navigate these turbulent waters, we also turn a critical eye to the FMCSA's crackdown on carrier fraud, discussing what this means for the future of transportation compliance and operation costs. Imagine multiple carriers operating under one roof, a single address, and the convoluted web of regulations that are now in the spotlight – we're dissecting the implications and what it could spell for the industry. Regulations are evolving, and so are the ways we ensure accountability within our critical trucking sector. From virtual addresses to the need for a physical presence, we're examining the potential shifts that could redefine the landscape of carrier operations. Tune in for an exploration of these pressing issues, where critical analysis meets the unraveling of a complex and crucial facet of our nation's backbone.

Thanks for listening to this episode of The Trucker’s Lounge podcast. This show was hosted by veteran truck drivers Eugene Banks and DePriest Ingram.

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[00:00:00] Just like the country falling like Domino's or something, you know. I mean, like you look at the infrastructure man, I mean, you know, the British that old and you got so called the biggest port in the country.

[00:00:15] And you let a situation like that happen. I mean, where the money going? I mean people should be that.

[00:00:21] Okay, when those companies start commenting the rate star drop.

[00:00:26] They do.

[00:00:27] Because they have that control if a lot of the owner offered to say, hey, well, you know, I don't say that, you know, let it sit on the dot.

[00:00:35] Well, they have the control because a lot of them are scheduling those lows themselves.

[00:00:42] Okay, you said, uh, is that how to make Ginger Real?

[00:00:48] Uh, you take a whole Ginger Real, cut it up.

[00:00:52] And uh, what different people I watched about six different videos about doing differently.

[00:00:59] But some just the ingredients is Ginger Real water, you know, to boil it in that basically say you can take for every cup of ginger real that you cut up, you need at least two cups of water.

[00:01:14] Okay, to boil it.

[00:01:16] And then some people use either lemon or a lime they cut it up put that in there with it.

[00:01:24] Some people use sugar like cane sugar.

[00:01:29] I've seen somebody use honey to sweeten it up with.

[00:01:32] Oh yeah.

[00:01:33] Yeah, so sugar or honey and some soda water.

[00:01:39] Okay.

[00:01:40] Yeah, sparkling water, soda water just give it that fish.

[00:01:44] Right, right, right.

[00:01:46] So basically using the Ginger to make more like a syrup and then you add it to that sparkling water.

[00:01:55] Uh-huh.

[00:01:56] Yeah.

[00:01:57] Yeah, I saw them do that on a TikTok.

[00:02:01] Okay.

[00:02:02] Hold on, give me a sec.

[00:02:03] I forgot my date.

[00:02:04] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:10] Okay.

[00:02:39] Okay, I'm back.

[00:02:40] I can't talk to you without Bay.

[00:02:42] Oh yeah, I know.

[00:02:44] Bay helped me think.

[00:02:46] Yeah.

[00:02:47] She helped me keep it the girl.

[00:02:50] Yeah, you say winner?

[00:02:54] Have you get your thoughts across?

[00:02:56] Oh yeah.

[00:02:57] Oh yeah.

[00:02:59] So what's the new news on this British collapse?

[00:03:06] Oh, well they pretty much suspended rescue efforts in terms of looking for the six guys that

[00:03:15] were missing.

[00:03:17] They pretty much just presumed their date and so they've gone from a rescue mission to just what they call it like a salvage tight mission.

[00:03:34] It's mission to where they searching for like evidence and clues, you know what I'm saying?

[00:03:40] Okay.

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:42] Yeah.

[00:03:43] Oh good.

[00:03:44] Yeah, like a recovery.

[00:03:45] That's more than we're like a recovery search.

[00:03:47] And we're going to rescue search to have more of a recovery search.

[00:03:51] Yeah.

[00:03:52] I saw news.

[00:03:53] They recovered two of the people that had been stuck in the water for hours.

[00:03:57] Uh-huh.

[00:03:58] Yeah.

[00:03:59] I don't know.

[00:04:00] They was two of the six.

[00:04:01] But uh.

[00:04:02] They did say go ahead.

[00:04:05] I think there's a total of eight.

[00:04:07] I was a total of eight people.

[00:04:09] Okay.

[00:04:10] And a total of eight and of the eight two of the ones were the ones who won with swimming and what came out okay.

[00:04:18] Another one was in like in critical condition.

[00:04:20] Okay.

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:23] Yeah.

[00:04:24] I know they said they go out to clean their river before they can even look for the others.

[00:04:28] They say it's almost steel in the river.

[00:04:30] Yeah.

[00:04:31] Yeah.

[00:04:32] But that ship had been having issues already.

[00:04:34] Uh, they got record showing that that ship had been having an issue.

[00:04:39] And uh, they they pretty much investigating in terms of the ship.

[00:04:44] Uh, whether it was uh.

[00:04:48] Sorry about the uh.

[00:04:51] You know the.

[00:04:52] Huh.

[00:04:53] You know the camera still off right.

[00:04:56] Okay.

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:58] Yeah.

[00:04:59] Uh, yeah.

[00:05:00] Now what was I saying about the cleaning up for the steel?

[00:05:03] Oh, yeah.

[00:05:04] About the investigation of the ship.

[00:05:05] Uh, they don't know that's in terms of uh.

[00:05:09] Of uh.

[00:05:11] If it was contaminated fuel or from the history of the ship having issues now I was watching on news nation a couple hours ago.

[00:05:19] Uh, I don't know all all the issues that they previously had but it does have a history.

[00:05:25] Uh, report on uh.

[00:05:27] That ship having issues because that power had uh.

[00:05:31] You know like we talked earlier it flickered out twice.

[00:05:35] Right.

[00:05:36] It's one about seven to eight knots and it flickered out didn't came back on and as it was coming up to just before they clear that that the part that they hit.

[00:05:47] Uh, the power the power went out again.

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:51] Yeah.

[00:05:52] Yeah.

[00:05:53] And that and the reason why the ship spent like that uh.

[00:05:59] They they had dropped one of the anchors.

[00:06:01] Yeah.

[00:06:02] Yes.

[00:06:03] I read that they had dropped a anchor and had already called but in Mayday.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:09] Yeah.

[00:06:10] Yeah.

[00:06:11] Yeah.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:14] Say drop that anchor and it's in it's been to ship around it looked like.

[00:06:17] And just pretty much toe toe to bridge up and they said the bridge was uh.

[00:06:21] They said that bridge was built in the seventies.

[00:06:23] None none been down to since it's been built.

[00:06:26] Right.

[00:06:27] It was right right at 50 years old you know a 40 where 46 I think it's 77 is built so was that 46 years old.

[00:06:34] No, I just heard seven.

[00:06:36] Yeah.

[00:06:37] I think it was 77.

[00:06:38] No.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:40] Something like that.

[00:06:41] Now one thing I remember reading on it they were saying that uh.

[00:06:48] They was asking like what they call them.

[00:06:52] Well basically one of the people that's over the bridges and and stuff in Delaware you know which is basically the next state over from Maryland.

[00:07:01] They was asking them about their waterways and their bridges and stuff and they said well our bridges are protected by concrete barriers.

[00:07:12] The peers are protected by concrete barriers so that if a ship gets close to it it hit that concrete barrier before it touches the pier.

[00:07:21] So they pretty much updated the infrastructure right as what he didn't say I maybe the idea of data on the vehicle.

[00:07:30] I'm not saying they recently updated what I meant to say their infrastructure in terms of the bridge is more updated.

[00:07:36] Yeah, protection.

[00:07:37] For protection like that.

[00:07:39] Uh huh.

[00:07:40] Yeah and so that that when they're in Baltimore didn't have it so it took the full force.

[00:07:47] Right.

[00:07:48] They're shipped.

[00:07:49] No I don't understand now they said it's going to take.

[00:07:53] Over 400 million dollars that they estimate so far to fix this bridge and it's going to have to come from the tax revenue.

[00:08:01] And they talk about the economic situation in Baltimore is then so they asked the federal government to come in and help so you know who fit the pay for their but.

[00:08:11] They don't understand the governor was pretty much on the news talking about how that is like one of the largest ports they take in I think he said what 50 51 million or billion tons of afraid in.

[00:08:27] Right and and and he talking about how much of the economic hit is going to be now I don't understand how government.

[00:08:35] They're going to create their money or whatever they do with it but you got that much freight coming in why is the city or the state in an economic situation.

[00:08:47] And it just raises a lot of questions on that you know you got to port it's just like Memphis it's no excuse for Memphis in my opinion to be in the situation they're there and they got the hood for the railroad and the hood for the airport.

[00:09:00] That's a lot of money coming into this.

[00:09:02] Yeah.

[00:09:03] So I'm not really.

[00:09:06] Oh no you know maybe you got to better understand it over the not.

[00:09:10] Yeah because you know they make their budgets every year because you got your your state budgets and you have your city budgets so what's allocated for the city that's that's a good question.

[00:09:25] Yeah because one crime let me shape it up right but okay on a political sin.

[00:09:40] Politicians are feeling a little bad in their time because it's going to take a while to build a bridge and you know they got trucks that got to come through the city.

[00:09:52] That's a man route for truck and it can't go through the tunnel they don't want them going through the city so they're going to have to go probably fall out the way then you and I was thinking of earlier just to be able to get around that situation.

[00:10:10] I mean I don't know man you know I'm saying just that you know like it's like the country falling like Domino or something you know.

[00:10:20] I mean like you look at the infrastructure man I mean you know the bridge that old and you got so called the the the biggest port in the country.

[00:10:31] You let a situation like that happen I mean where the money going I mean people should be accident.

[00:10:37] Yeah because I said I say somewhere where they said with that port it's the main it's pretty much the main route that particular port they're involved to most it's pretty much the main route for imported cars and foreign equipment.

[00:10:53] And it's the nation's second largest location for exporting cold right so that's gonna hurt yeah yeah yeah it's going to hurt you know in a lot of ways I would say the trucker.

[00:11:10] And and and and in a sense like this because you know I'm for the truckers don't stuff like this and we don't pay for enough.

[00:11:19] Right don't let your customers start making you pay for this.

[00:11:25] You know I mean they're gonna want truckers to take the hit most likely when it comes to shipping that stuff you know you got to think about the drivers in in the Baltimore area that has to take these long routes around make these people pay you for this yeah yeah man I mean I mean it's unfortunate.

[00:11:47] I'm not I'm not trying to be selfish and you know put put the loss of life on the back burner that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying it's not even related to the lives that was lost I'm talking about the aftermath financially economically you know what's about to happen you know instead of being some people that send a ticket hit because the United States they're not gonna take the hit along they spending too much money else but they got to come in they got to help Baltimore with this.

[00:12:15] There's no 400 million dollars that estimate is probably going to end up being more than that then then they're probably going to jump in and try to help their shipping vessel company deal with the lawsuits that's coming behind it because I mean it's just yeah.

[00:12:34] Yeah because the same Pete Buttigieg doing an interview saying yeah we're gonna rebuild gonna get you taken care of and we're gonna rebuild and get everything on the way because somebody was estimated might take.

[00:12:48] You know about a year or so.

[00:12:51] A year for the break.

[00:12:52] Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:12:54] This is Ralph Paul around about a year now that was just somebody speculating so I don't I didn't hear what an actual engineer had to say but when I was here about a year.

[00:13:07] She didn't want to take them about six months to clean up all the records yeah.

[00:13:15] Yeah I guess depending on how fast they got to do it.

[00:13:21] Would you want to drive across the bridge being put together like that.

[00:13:25] I wouldn't.

[00:13:26] I did as I'm saying like you know we beyond just having the bridge replaced we talking safety now you know some people the law stay large man you had a construction workers on the bridge feeling pahos didn't even get the memo that this was going down obviously and if they got it they got it too late.

[00:13:46] Because you can see on the video you can see clearly on the video where cars were like passing through you know like they was trying to haul less and get out of the way and that bridge look like it was a long stretch that was just a section of the bridge that

[00:14:04] was a lot of crap yeah yeah yeah that section and just made everything else fall fall apart right right so I'm saying you're talking about a year putting their bridge but you know I don't know man you know they might need to you know I'm saying

[00:14:21] that's going to put them back together out I mean the right way you know yeah the you know like I said earlier the infrastructure already crumbling and this is pretty.

[00:14:33] I really do believe that if the United States could afford it they would fix it all in one while these are tell tell signs that this money has been miss you

[00:14:46] so many ways you know it's been talking infrastructure for the last in the impotix for what since she's just a bush yeah for a long time they've been talking about fixing the roads and stuff yeah.

[00:15:02] And yet but they got money for war oh yeah always you know they got they got they got money to get to the immigrant you know but I want to I wonder are they going to cut some of you you

[00:15:19] crane fund for this because this here is just to get the bridge back right yeah we ain't talking about the aftermath of them you know what they're going to have

[00:15:28] to do the catch they money back up who they gonna make pay for that you know you're going to pull some of that money back from overseas and

[00:15:36] bothering them war so you're going to pull some of this that money out of these immigrants pocket you know these are questions that need to be at because even though this is a

[00:15:48] Baltimore problem the country can't let Baltimore handling on their own because Baltimore ports feed the country right exactly.

[00:15:59] Yeah I guess they're gonna see what Singapore has to say about that you know single port oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's what is just was on this way back to the single port.

[00:16:09] I don't know if it's on this way back there but that's where it's where it's from okay yeah yeah because see they said the ship was heading out right yeah it was just leaving

[00:16:25] yeah just leaving a whole lot of firsts yeah that's a whole lot of freight can be healed but right there you know that ship

[00:16:32] it's about the same you know you just stand it up vertically it's about the same how this is the I for Todd

[00:16:38] yeah they did a measurement only about now 185 feet long I think the I for Todd was like

[00:16:45] now 184 wow yeah

[00:16:50] yeah you ship yeah I'm ships are huge I worked on one

[00:16:56] one one day from Japan it was a rice ship

[00:17:02] they were they were hot rice I was living in California and we would take these big huge bags of rice and they had a crane

[00:17:11] that would pick it up from off the dock and then sit it into the belly of the ship you know and I was working inside the

[00:17:18] bill of the ship and you know that the crane operator can't hear he can't hear what let me

[00:17:24] rephrase it he can't see inside the bill of the ship so you have someone with the microphone just tell them okay go to

[00:17:30] your left go to your right all right drop it you know you release it you know so just being on that ship was just massive I

[00:17:38] mean just feel like wow

[00:17:48] that brings us to you know well that bring me to the FMCSA and in the MC numbers for

[00:18:05] a fraud but based on the tri-tone situation they FMCSA got a lot of work to do to clean this mess but anyway what

[00:18:14] you got on the FMCSA which is just copy here about them in an MC number yeah they want they want to end

[00:18:22] the get rid of the MC number and just do just strictly DLT numbers just deal everything directly through DLT

[00:18:32] numbers and they said the reason and for that is is to they want to focus on security and fraud they

[00:18:39] want to cut down on all the fraud from what they've been saying well and also they said they want to

[00:18:44] revamp the whole FMCSA website they want to make it more user friendly they want to do like that

[00:18:55] authentication like the two what you call it like the two number two digit authentication

[00:19:00] I think it's two stuff authentication yeah where they see your pin number the activation DLT

[00:19:06] number right so I think they want you to do something like that and so but you already had to do

[00:19:12] that I think they're making it more electronic now okay I got multiple stores I saw one girl on

[00:19:20] TikTar she said they're gonna be mellow in the mind I saw old drive online said they're gonna make

[00:19:25] it electronic but I thought it was already electronic though yeah I can remember yeah you know

[00:19:34] you get your authority you go through that process you know you you know they send you your

[00:19:40] pin number well yo oh how did they do it they send you your number where you can log in to see

[00:19:49] if you've been verified and everything you do it electronically so yeah so I don't know you

[00:19:55] know what they meant on that part but they ain't gonna interrupt you double go ahead what you know

[00:20:00] so but also they were saying that they would notice in all the fraud they had been taking place

[00:20:06] as a result they was noticing hundreds of carriers using the same address as their

[00:20:16] active address using the same addresses their place of doing business right you know

[00:20:23] well one of the they said they had received an email and one of the emails that they had

[00:20:30] said WTF FMCSA at gmail.com hmm you see that email well they said that was one of the emails for

[00:20:44] the FMCSA that they were using to register yeah one of the companies they said that was their

[00:20:51] email address basically mocking the FMCSA oh this after all this broker today was going to do that

[00:20:59] yeah well see they they as they were checking everything and they were looking at all of stuff

[00:21:06] just based on this email of referring to this email one of those carriers emails as you know

[00:21:12] their direct contact emails was WTF FMCSA like what the FFFFCSA at gmail.com they say okay

[00:21:23] they're taking this as you know they messing with the FMCSA basically saying like this is just too easy

[00:21:30] wrong you know they said in one of their addresses one of the addresses was you

[00:21:37] as saying that this was what when and where an employee lived hmm you know so they said they

[00:21:44] want to cut down on all that to reduce that type of fraud but they said those are just

[00:21:53] things that they want to put together they still got to meet with the industry stakeholders

[00:21:58] I think it was on May 29th this year to go forth and I guess get their opinions I guess the

[00:22:05] stakeholders are like the large carriers and large yeah yeah yeah you believe because on

[00:22:12] what they saying is that they're looking to take these steps in the next 90 days before they start

[00:22:20] rolling out the segments of the other registers of the registered population they're going to be

[00:22:28] contracting our verification services to industry leading firms so that may be an indication that

[00:22:34] they're going to take away the electronic option to get verified because they're going to be

[00:22:40] contracting and that's a service out to accomplish to be verified yeah I don't know how they

[00:22:45] going to do it but they supposed to be a cleanup crew for fraud they say that the changes are going

[00:22:52] to impact all new applicants and it's going to and also they're going to run an all-existent

[00:22:59] register everybody in a database and there's over 800,000 entities okay yeah so they got a lot

[00:23:09] of work to do and now this is what I think going to have that number one virtual address is

[00:23:19] going to be out that's going to be out that's going to be a hit to the good for a lot of people who

[00:23:28] don't have an address to you other than their home address yeah and because he in a lot of cases

[00:23:35] they don't even want you to get a PO box so the fraud messed that up and it's probably going to get

[00:23:43] to the point where they're probably going to want you to have a brick and mortar which is going

[00:23:50] to get expensive yeah we know real estate is hot now especially commercial yeah so it's going

[00:24:02] to be in any situation where there's a cleanup it's going to it's going to be a mess yeah

[00:24:09] going to be a lot of people going to get hit caught in the crossfire you know because they're

[00:24:17] going to be rejected you know because see when they start looking at existing registered

[00:24:25] yeah that could get ugly and then on top of that you know if you don't you don't renew your

[00:24:31] UCR and what was oh your UCR yeah MC150 yeah your MCS150 they're going to make your

[00:24:43] I'm how many days did they say that they give you know before they make your US DOT number in

[00:24:49] actor I want to say is it 90 days is that the original time yeah I think there's like 90 or 180

[00:24:59] some I can't recall exactly are you talking about if you don't update those things right because

[00:25:04] you have the update that's the very year yeah and the MCS150 you really supposed to update that

[00:25:11] every time it's a change in your company like you how on the drive you lose the drive you buy

[00:25:16] truck you sell a truck or give a truck back you're supposed to update that every time you do that but

[00:25:23] who has the time to do that all the time if you're running a smaller operation yeah ain't nobody

[00:25:28] thinking about that all the time most people know to do it once a year it becomes too much

[00:25:37] you know I saw on tic-top people saying it's about time they don't understand the paperwork that's

[00:25:44] been to come behind and they don't understand even if you at least don't operate it you don't

[00:25:51] understand how tight these rules were other companies gonna get now you know things that you used

[00:25:58] to do comfortably they probably want to allow you to do some of these things no more because of

[00:26:04] changes like because these changes are gonna cost any company with their usbot know yeah you know

[00:26:13] these changes don't come free no you know

[00:26:21] which is the way they see yeah we're gonna see how they how that comes up you know uh

[00:26:27] with all the industry stakeholders don't have to say about it you know I'm pretty sure

[00:26:31] um I can I can hit what's the guy uh over the uh American trucking association

[00:26:38] which you know I don't know man I think it's shun no I'm thinking about uh teamsters but uh

[00:26:45] I can see the the leader of the American trucking association saying yeah this is a good thing

[00:26:50] you know because they gonna uh pretty much be in favor because you know the

[00:26:55] the industry stakeholders gonna have their say you know they're gonna have their lobbyists and

[00:27:01] and all less stuff coming together yeah so yeah we'll see like I said they said make 29

[00:27:10] uh and they should be uh reaching out to the uh to the uh industry stakeholders to get their input

[00:27:22] I just want to what they're gonna say they I'm pretty sure they're gonna be with it you know

[00:27:27] I mean it's gonna cost them a little bit but it's not gonna be as hard ever hit to them especially

[00:27:33] if it's gonna hurt us to the smaller competition yeah you know to get them out the way uh

[00:27:42] rates are probably gonna drop even more now

[00:27:46] you know with that being implemented yeah I can see that

[00:27:52] uh so I don't know you know like I said my message to drivers is just don't

[00:27:59] don't don't let your customers make you pay forward you know you know a lot of the righteous

[00:28:05] drivers does not all fault the uh FMCSA you would think they would have already had

[00:28:11] uh stuff like this in place uh to protect the industry so to meet the FMCSA they've been still

[00:28:19] they've been still in money people have been paying $300 to get their authority and it's wide open

[00:28:25] like that yeah where people can call in from another country get a virtual address and a PO box

[00:28:31] and just you know come over here and steal freight yeah so I'm still in loads yeah and

[00:28:37] and and a lot of them are not being caught because they're not here

[00:28:42] and you're making us pay for it yeah I mean that's crazy to me

[00:28:46] yeah that's crazy so yeah but we know the truck industry I've been in the truck industry

[00:28:54] to know that you're gonna have a lot of ignorant truckers that's not going to look deep into this

[00:29:00] they're gonna look at you know they're gonna be driven off of the emotions rather than logic and

[00:29:05] they're not gonna bother to look deep into this in the end in a few years when this really hits

[00:29:10] and hurts they're gonna add like they don't know where it came from

[00:29:15] because see this story gonna be old then and you know how it is in the truck industry

[00:29:21] it only take a year before some bull crap become a known yeah that's true you know just like

[00:29:29] just like they told us it was a market for freight that we abide by and we let them set our price

[00:29:36] you know the drivers they stood for that you know I'm saying I mean they we as drivers let

[00:29:43] that happen we felt out so we in this situation here because we and drivers before us did not stand

[00:29:52] up you know and understand and you know like when you put systems and policies in place they didn't

[00:30:00] understand or have a visual with the backing of it was going to look like yeah you know that's

[00:30:09] why so many of us out in the industry now man because of stuff like that that don't make sense

[00:30:15] in the end when something astronomical happened like the pandemic we didn't know what to do

[00:30:22] you know some of us even found comfort in seeing big companies like a comfort and a yellow goal

[00:30:34] out of business it gave us comfort to just stand still and not worry about fighting

[00:30:39] with me company's going out of the bed and maybe that's what supposed to happen

[00:30:43] you know it's not you know I'm saying not you but you know the bigger companies you know

[00:30:50] a lot of them I don't think I don't think they went out of business just due to freight they had

[00:30:55] enough money to stick it out just like the smaller carry that was just uh uh uh big investors in

[00:31:01] on and in the old kind of company uh I feel like start pulling back now uh yellow went out of

[00:31:08] the bed just because you know they had big big big people in the top raking money in

[00:31:14] in their own pockets so I mean it's just you know it is what it is man you know driver to the truck

[00:31:24] in and should you got to get more educated about business and how business working how dirty the

[00:31:30] game of business can be yeah yeah definitely gotta do that yeah definitely gotta do more than just

[00:31:38] know how to drive and and pick your lows off the low board right right yeah because those days

[00:31:45] are over it and truth be told we never should have been in the midst of those days but it was so

[00:31:51] comfortable yeah to just get on there and they say well the average rate is 500 you get on there

[00:31:59] is a I I could do it for 700 you get it and you think you're doing something you know I'm saying you

[00:32:05] really not you still with low ball and you'll self at that time when the when the money was good

[00:32:09] out here yeah you know but the way be it is it's supposed to work you don't supposed to do business

[00:32:17] unless you can break even or gain a profit you don't supposed to do business at a loss

[00:32:24] and here was too many guys stayed I had too long and they was taking loss after loss after loss

[00:32:29] because they were emotionally attached so that's the way the gang go bro man look I'm glad we would

[00:32:39] sit here man and chop it up on me yeah yeah man some fairly good topics to discuss and upcoming

[00:32:48] things we have to look forward to and and check into most devil most devil with little man I'm

[00:32:54] gonna get out of here I'm gonna see you next week all right man take care