Lewie Pugh Breaks Down OOIDA's Positions on Key Trucking Topics

[00:00:00] Coming up on the Truckers Lounge, we sit down with the Executive Vice President of OIDA, Lewie Pugh. As he discusses his views on Warren Buffett, Autonomous Trucks and Changes in Leadership at the FMCSA, you don't want to miss it, so stay tuned and why you added it.

[00:00:17] Don't forget to hit the like button, hit share and then subscribe. Let's go! What's up Trucking Family? We got a special guest here. We got on with us today the Vice President from Ono Operator Independent Association as we all know OOIDA,

[00:00:41] Vice President Mr. Lewie Pugh. How you doing, Mr. Pugh? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. Yes, sir. And it's great to have you. Well I think it's great to be on your show. So I don't know about you, but I'm really looking forward to it.

[00:00:58] Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate that of you all mine. Could you give a little bit about yourself to our audience? I'm the Executive Vice President here of OIDA. I've been a started driving truck in the Army.

[00:01:13] I'm right out of high school as a Truck driver in the 21. It became a company driver. It was that for about a year and a half, and then bought my own truck. It was an owner operator to 2017, 2018 when I came here in the office at OIDA.

[00:01:29] The Service Executive Vice President. I've been with OIDA for one on 20 years now as a board of director this year. We 20 years and have been a member since 1996. And I have a very honored eye of this position.

[00:01:47] I very honored to be here in Surf Truckers and hopefully be helping a little bit. As far as my trucking career, the Master of Joy that was pulling a flat bed. I'm from Southeastern Ohio. I heard a lot of steel stuff out of Ohio Valley.

[00:02:02] A lot to the East Coast. A little bit to Texas and West. But mainly I was an East Coast guy and a South guy that Carolina's Georgia stuff like that as well.

[00:02:11] I'm on track Santa little bit there at the end of the Ohio Valley and a full tanker in a little bit as well. But mainly I have that steel honor.

[00:02:22] Well we want to thank you for everything you do for the trucking community as far as all my operators and smaller trucking companies. We really want to thank you. We've been watching a lot of you guys work and we really do appreciate it.

[00:02:37] That's why I see I have my membership even though I don't have insurance in the mobile. I still kept my membership. Well we appreciate your membership and I'm sure you realize it as far as trucking and advocate for traders.

[00:02:49] It's what all I did is just for those who don't know. We've been around for 50 first year. We were started in 1973 by a group of truckers here in the Kansas City area and around.

[00:03:00] And they were going to go to Washington or during the Arab oil and bar gap. Try to get a few things back to the truck. Well here we are. Fifty one year later still fighting some of the same fights. Yeah, but all that was going to get it.

[00:03:16] Yes, that's our number one thing here at all. The idea is fighting for the rights of small business truckers and company drivers as well. And we are a lot stronger when we all speak in one voice. That's right. That's a great way to fight a different.

[00:03:34] And a lot of the great thing about Oides you've heard a little bit about me. We are still ran by truckers. We're founded by truckers. I bought a directors who kind of got things for all the season stuff. There's 22 boarded directors are all. I've been truckers.

[00:03:49] I actively trucking. Todd Spencer my boss. I'm president. He was a trucker for a long time and then been here for a long, long time as well. So that's what set the way to part from some of these other national advocacy organizations. We've all set their driver seats.

[00:04:08] Right, all my truckers. That makes a big that makes a huge difference. Sorry. Right. Well, before we get into our questions first I want to let our audience know. Make sure even though you don't have insurance with OOIDA, please become a member of OOIDA.

[00:04:25] They have a lot more to offer than I really think that they advertise. I mean, if you got questions about dealing with your authority in terms of what you can and can't do. They have experts there that will answer those questions for you.

[00:04:40] If you have questions about leasing on a truck proper way to do it. How to do your contract, your leasing train. They got people there that would help you with it and our glad to help you understand and and build your company to what you're trying to do.

[00:05:02] So make sure you get a membership with them. Yeah, and I would also add even if you don't own a truck. We advocate for the same rules regulations and owner operators and company drivers have to follow all the same rules.

[00:05:15] Just like ours, the service where the last change is from us, we've petitioned and independent job for us. I see dated name but from the 70s before deregulation, but that just meant a company driver that wasn't a teamster from FKNID.

[00:05:31] We do a lot of stuff for criminal drivers. We have this couple of programs both in and out of trucking it helps company drivers. It's $45 a year to be a member of the city show or see more of your driver out there at 35.

[00:05:45] If you call in and say you saw this, tell me you saw this and Louis 35 you can get a 35 as well. I appreciate that. Really appreciate it. Yeah, and I know an audience will too. You're going to. I mean, I mean, I don't know.

[00:06:01] I've been saying that would be a great incentive for the audience to become a member. I appreciate your time. We love to share trucks everyday around here. That's right. That's right. Well, we asked some questions that we think there will be a concern to the truck and community.

[00:06:20] The first question was about, well, it's about warm, buffess acquisition and pilot. I want to kind of get a run down because we kind of put some pieces together that kind of laid it back to 2017 here.

[00:06:34] here. Well, it says on August 17, 2023, a story was reported by PR Newswire that codec robotics incorporated and pilot company announced the opening of their inaugural truck port in Villa Rico, George on January 17th of this year, it was

[00:06:53] reported by business insiders that Warren Buffett and his company Berkshire have to incorporate took for ownership of pilot travel centers. However, it was reported by highway News on August 26, 2022 that Warren Buffett bought a piece of codec robotics which is a company that develops autonomous technology

[00:07:15] to build driverless trucks. What impact do you feel Warren Buffett's acquisition will have on the driver's careers in the next 10 years? I don't think you're going to see a lot due to this deal with Warren Buffett, made really one way or

[00:07:34] another. You know, I've read some stuff that people with some other articles that kind of, and I kind of agree the same thing. This in Warren Buffett said this in fact that this technology is far as autonomous technology. There's so

[00:07:49] much still to get through that I don't think we're going to see anything on of any to a mouth and much for the next 10 years. I don't even, I just didn't interview you not too long or just today earlier this morning about this. I

[00:08:03] don't understand how this even will work because I can't give myself a reconnect to my car with Bluetooth so you were telling me we're going to take some of us and turn them loose on the interstate and they're going to deliver loads

[00:08:15] and everything. So maybe I'm a little jaded but I got a fairly new pickup truck and I can't get the cell which Bluetooth technology and we see it's pretty basic. Right right right. Sometimes I can barely keep my internet connected to

[00:08:31] my computer. Exactly, I mean we look at all these little hitches we have a the simplest of technology so you know I think just we've seen a whole lot of these technological companies come in and go out you know the two simple

[00:08:47] Zimbarx things. Right do I think 20 30 years from now that something can work probably? I mean the big thing now we're hearing about this road in Texas it's going to be a 21 mile smart highway to put in all these sensors and all these

[00:09:01] things is going to talk to the trucks and trucks talk to them and it also is really cool and really interesting you know I personally have asked and still I'm asking but I'd like to go take a rod in the condom and just see how some of

[00:09:14] this world works. Yeah. Pin you know it even and understanding but it's like this old smart road is things really cool but you know there's thousands thousands of miles of interstate highways we can't afford to fix the roads now

[00:09:30] just pave them and fix the pod holes and prevent it. Berlin me we're going to put sensors and weathered and all this stuff on the thousands I just don't see it I don't see what you're going to pay for it. I don't think public opinions

[00:09:43] for it. I mean Tesla you know they've had their share of accidents and issues with this stuff in cars and you know we as an organization believe you better get this right in the car before you ever think about getting out there in a truck.

[00:10:00] Yeah. Okay and so I you know like I said I've heard stories and I'm just both at the same thing and I tend to agree that I think in the next 10 years I don't think we're going to see anything as far as I'm really affecting a day-to-day

[00:10:17] truck driver. Okay yeah I know we did a story probably within the past month where Merck you know the shipping vessel carrier they teamed up with a an autonomous company to run loads from their terminals down in Houston from

[00:10:38] Houston I think it was to Dallas back and forth on that stretch of highway from and so they said that they were going to do that back and forth and pretty much collect data on how that would work for them because they're they're gaining

[00:10:52] for more productivity is what they use for that to using autonomous trucks. Yeah I'm glad you brought up the data for the teaching because that's a real concern of ours here to out and we've continued to reach out and complain about

[00:11:06] this that the data that their collecting is kind of voluntary whether they want to let people see it or not. Now wait guys in mandatory and that's another real concern we have look I understand proprietaryness when it comes to building

[00:11:21] the product and keep me not all proprietary and I have no issue but once you start putting this stuff out there and testing it all that stuff should be available to the general public and it should be mandatory in in fact we

[00:11:35] sent a letter last fall about that we've asked Nitsa about it and we keep being so well we can't really make that mandatory right now. Well why not? I mean it seems to me and it feels like as we all know truckers are very very heavily

[00:11:52] regulated and probably can be argued overly manually. Yeah oh what if it doesn't seem like we're doing the same thing to electronic vehicles. I mean I've heard in intercircles you know with law enforcement

[00:12:08] which is a big question now are we going to inspect these things or how they are going to inspect it or stuff like that and unfortunately some of the conversations I've even heard us well we just aren't going to do random

[00:12:20] inspections to autonomous vehicles they'll be inspected at the time they leave or the time they get back and so okay you're telling me that a truck with a wild train human in it who can kind of see what's going on and stop and check

[00:12:35] it going on and route you're going to have some him with inspections but some truck then have anything but a bunch of tensions are not going to worry about. Yeah you know there's a lot of things like that they just aren't right or just

[00:12:48] unfair. Yeah and and and like to mean you know just just based on my pain that's that's kind of the scary thing for me you know with the research that we've been doing we see so many billionaires that are investors in the

[00:13:03] truck industry no blood sweater tier and there are pushing for a lot of things that just doesn't make sense and it's like you kind of look at the government like are you going to let these people get away with this you

[00:13:19] don't like this this is not making sense you know you you pass regulations on us to keep forward or safe on the highway because the tits to say that it's been so many accidents and so many those blah blah blah but you

[00:13:35] willing to put an autonomous truck out there and you got Indiana and New York I believe they got a fight against it because they're saying whether you're going to have autonomous trucks rolled through here you need a human in it.

[00:13:47] You know I'm trying to oversee this that actually have blood running through their veins so it's just it's it's just kind of scary when you read into it like many if the people don't stay on top of this these people just do

[00:14:02] anything and you make a good point in the beginning here there's a lot of millionaires a lot of people who've never driven the truck and they you know there was a hearing last fall during trucker appreciation week when

[00:14:15] they're hearing it's in I just about this technology in fact even the ATA American trucking decision they had a seat at the table with this hearing to testify along with some things but not a trucker they didn't have anybody

[00:14:29] never drove a truck or anybody maybe maybe or anybody or even a trucker they talk about how this technology's gonna you know the week that we're supposed to appreciate trucker we have a hearing on technology to put

[00:14:46] truckers out of a job out of business or affect the safety of the highway where they work and we don't even have the common courtesy to put a trucker on that panel we have people on there that's never set by and we're

[00:14:57] a trucker made 11 with a trucker that's the first that's the beginning of the problem you are correct the second problem is when we come to these people with questions nobody wants to answer I mean I have a question they are

[00:15:12] simple simple ones one this is Thomas Chuck is going down the road and there's a child on a bicycle in front of it or a car or just there's different things out there this machine has to make a decision on what to

[00:15:27] hit now I'm assuming it's programmed to hit whatever would do the least amount of damage so I'm assuming it would hit a child on a bicycle before it's gonna run itself over here went to a ditch I don't think there's a trucker

[00:15:41] out there that would not what the truck over the hill in the ditch you know that sort of was in the unwritten code of truckers and still is his damning the songs about it everything so you know where's that coming

[00:15:56] the way the other question I have nobody really wants to answer is security okay there's a lot of people in this world who don't like America we see it every day there's lots of terrorists I mean we saw what happened 9-11

[00:16:11] stuff like that I watched on 60 minutes where a guy with a little bit some computer guy way above my level because it's like okay with three or four hundred dollars right technology can knock into a car and apply the brakes

[00:16:24] and stuff like that yeah it can be that to a car what's going to keep a terrorist organization or does this done like America to hack into some trucks because in 80,000 pound vehicle could be a pretty good weapon pretty quick

[00:16:38] back yeah yeah yeah those are things they're just right there what happens what about that cost and I know they said it's the latest and greatest technology but you know the Pentagon's hacked into sex yeah yeah

[00:16:56] yeah and and like everything you mentioned you know those those those are the the false that I have that it just like make me a free more so for my family than myself because I've been out there on the highway you know I tell anybody

[00:17:14] I trust myself behind the wheel before I trust anybody else behind the wheel because of the trucker intuition that I have you know the way we were turning back in the day you could be coming down and here you can see a car

[00:17:28] coming off the side street and you could tell what move he's in the make before he even makes highly got an autonomous truck to do that and you head on a perfect name that's where I agree that's like this new smart highway dude

[00:17:42] they're gonna put in Texas and they're gonna let these trucks for 21 miles when 85 mile an hour or whatever down to there and I that's what I say okay maybe this would all work if all the trucks were autonomous and they were all

[00:17:55] talking each other okay it's not how it's gonna be and you head right on as a trucker you're trained to drive defensive that's where I was you are and I jokingly say but I would see a car out there and I think what's the

[00:18:08] dumbest thing they can do you know and then hopefully we just pointed that they didn't do it but a lot of times unfortunately you're disappointed and you know you got people in the cell phone you got people reading it's all out there

[00:18:21] on the highway people doing everything that should be done but pay attention driving and you're right how does that truck make those split second decisions all the time because I got two and a million miles of safe driving I'm really

[00:18:33] proud of that but some of that was luck some of that a lot of them I feel a skill but I had to make a lot of decisions in my 25 years behind the wheel trucker good FTA multiple times a day you're making a split second

[00:18:49] decision to save somebody's life that's right that's right that is true it trying to save yours in the process but the way we're trained we're really not even trained even think about ourselves first exactly not even trained

[00:19:04] it would well and unfortunately in sadly this kind of stuff is being driven just like so much other legislation in Washington DC under the all-crap notion that there's a huge driver shortage the trucker knows that there is and

[00:19:23] it's a turnover problem there's a shortage of pain there's a shortage of parking there's a shortage of appreciation for the American truck driver there's a shortage but they really know shortage of people coming in is industry problem we're bringing them in here we treat them like crap they

[00:19:41] stay for six months through year and realize they've talked to jobs thanks people don't care about your people treat you like crap and you're just a number to a company and I don't care whether you stay or go so they leave and

[00:19:54] they go somewhere else and that's what drives that that's what part of what the George driving is and so many these other stupid regulations and stuff that we're seeing pushed on American truck driver and it's going on for

[00:20:08] far too long that the policies being made on a false narrative to keep companies profit high while keeping driver profits low is that well said it was speaking of regulation it brings me to my next question because I know you don't have a

[00:20:29] lot of time with and we appreciate the time that you've given us these are 14 2023 overdrive online covered the story of L from CSA leadership being questioned by a house always in transit regarding the speed limit of

[00:20:45] ending and they're hearing Texas Rep Truodneal when it's far as to question the credibility of the speed limit of rule making by referencing a keynote speech he said Robin Hutchison gave at a fundraiser in a van sponsored by

[00:21:01] the labor union and large truck and companies among others do you think this has something to do with Robin Hutchison stepping down I don't know it could just be timing I mean God bless congressman now he's a great friend of

[00:21:19] truckers I know the congressman been his office quite a few times and as you saw in that area he is a great friend of the American trucker and a great friend of a wide-dead and he gets it I mean he's got him a

[00:21:33] pilot and he's a very color for one the vigil he talks but yeah I don't know you know she got pretty heavily at that here yeah it's all it I'm proud to say a lot some of those

[00:21:49] questions and a lot of that came from the hard work that we do here at O IDEA and that those directly came from OIDASU I'm proud of that and proud of our people in Washington DC and our members for picking up the phone call

[00:22:04] because that's why I said we're more powerful one that's from our members in our lobby and stuff while working together to tell these lawmakers what's going on so when the lawmakers have the opportunity they call it FMCSA on the carpet

[00:22:18] and good for them for that now as far as our stepping down it could be related it could not be I mean it seems you know that FMCSA kind has had a revolving door of leadership for about the last four years right and under

[00:22:37] Biden both so and you know in Mr. Ocheson she's a very nice person and very good lady I was honored to meet her and get to work with her we don't always agree but I respect her as a person and they're expected job she that's a

[00:22:53] hard job yeah I mean it's really hard and it's it sometimes it's almost like they set you up the fail there because usually just like you know I'd miss your Hutchison they bring people in there they have no trucking a

[00:23:10] transportation trucking background trucking yeah it's hard to truckie and that's me about things so they have to educate and try to learn and as we know there's lots of people lots of opinions when it comes to trucking and highway

[00:23:24] safety some opinions are better than others and I'm sure we can all agree but there's lots of players in that field and if you don't have any background it's almost like you're being set up the fifth right and we need to like

[00:23:38] you need for a charge of the subways or something like that you know exactly you know so I you know that's for all of them in the past and the last few that we've had there's been one that had somewhat of a trucking background

[00:23:54] a mall and when he was in for a little bit okay unfortunately you know an infarrow way back but in the last recent history and again it's a point of position we're going into election year who knows how that craziness is

[00:24:10] gonna play out a lot of times better off for Cherney comes long and you know if you're the administrator of anything have to be born America just don't like you yeah yeah that's what we saw with uh with Miss Hutchison is that she

[00:24:29] had a background in transportation but like you said it was it wasn't trucking related you know it wasn't trucking related so her transportation background was in Salt Lake City and in Minneapolis and I think it was a little bit in

[00:24:43] Boston or so I'm gonna talk about my never been in a certain in Utah and you know that's the problem law makers and now we're getting a presidential staff in there and they don't think they completely understand that although there's all kinds of transportation but trucking transportation is

[00:25:05] completely different than everything and where I think trucking really gets murky for these folks that they don't understand and law makers don't understand trucking is probably one of the most diverse industries there are

[00:25:18] as far as so many different things make up the industry you know you got this guy here drives a dump truck every day and never leaves Baltimore you got this guy runs from Cala to New York City this guy is on the off from the home of the

[00:25:34] Birmingham and you know fry there's all these different jobs within and that's why that's where hurts so many they try to make trucking and with the legislation always a one size fits all and we're not a one size industry

[00:25:48] anything means yeah again they say well she like mere jocy prior was a tactical taxicabies and stuff it's nothing like trucking so let me get you a pain on something real quick the you know Ontario the province of Ontario and Canada they they explain speed limit maybe about

[00:26:14] ten years ago I'll move you familiar with that yes do you think that the US kind of got the idea from from that framework from them doing it yeah okay it's coming from I mean oh idea back when that was going on we

[00:26:28] put a lot of blood sweat and tear into the into that Rod Nostigar who now works here with in house as our COO and it's the time when the one near they spent a lot of time in Canada we got a good educational and a Canadian government

[00:26:44] up there and how it's structured out works and it's a lot different than ours and so but yeah we we thought that's so hard up there because our concern was it's so it's there here you know this isn't the first time speed limit

[00:27:00] legislation's been out there it's been out in the past and you know it's kind of funny that American trucking Association brought up is behind at this time but they're the last time they were against it so they've kind of flipped

[00:27:14] up on it a couple they've been for it then again it's done for it which is we've been against it from day one we're still against it I think I think I think 16th hour almost 16 thousand comments they have from CSA by truckers which is

[00:27:27] like record setting okay I think as shows where truckers are there they're against it so that's how it does the right thing but hey if not we got the building Congress Congress on a keynote of Oklahoma got to be off at the

[00:27:42] stop to fling and stop these madness and hopefully that gets across along with him and Congress will now some other comments since Congress were there so across the Collins out of Georgia brought up a good point we already have speed limit just called speed limits.

[00:27:58] Yeah, you know long time ago we had an issue in a small town that I'm from and we had to speak to one of the all the means that we had voted in and he

[00:28:13] basically told us the song of the story of he said I'm only as good as the support from the community that I have behind me my whole reason for saying that because I want to explain to the audience why it's important to align

[00:28:27] yourself with an association like oh I DA because when with all I DA therefore the small guy what we have been seeing with ATA and in companies like there they're more so for the mega carrier and I just can't see them supporting our

[00:28:49] interests because when you look at them being for the speed limit to me I look at okay pandemic happened a lot of money came out here a lot of entrepreneurs in trucking came in so they put less drivers in the seats of company

[00:29:03] trucks and it just making you feel like there's a lot of this done by design to push people back into the workforce and the entrepreneurship and that's just a ugly thought for me to have if that is true I mean it's just it's a dirty game

[00:29:24] on monopoly if that was the case. And yeah you're correct I mean there's no doubt I mean their membership structure the way it set up is the big of the more you pay so listen to I mean here to idea I membership structure it's the same whether you

[00:29:43] got one truck no truck or a thousand trucks it's 45 bucks or like I said you say you watch this come you know call anytime you watch this you can our membership department get it for 35 but and you're right it is important

[00:29:59] though to be a member not only be a member but to be an active member because the reason like I'm like with now's and not hearing he held up our magazine landline in the hearing and he asked the administrator if she read it because

[00:30:18] he said he reads it and she should because there's a lot of good stuff and there's she could learn about trucking and you'll notice it was tabbed if you watched the videos are out there it was tab member one of our members tabs that

[00:30:33] and sends it to knows every month one in a member so that's how nails gets it that's how nails found out about us both ideas you know just to get all much off the on to say we don't have money or all that kind of stuff that the

[00:30:49] people who work against trucking like America ATA and some of our other officers safety but what we do have is the knowledge and the leadership with the knowledge and experience but what we have bigger and better than that is

[00:31:02] our membership we've 150,000 members of real truckers real grass read and lawmakers even though they like money they like votes too and it's real important it's so important for you as a trucker to get active to read all in line listen we

[00:31:21] sent a call actions but to call your lawmaker we have a website called fighting for truckers.com it's really easy go there everything that's going on as far as with rules regulations laws that are currently pending it's all there you can

[00:31:36] read about it and you can send a message picker lawmaker right off that's and you can it's it's already there there's a pre written message but you can change it you can edit it you can add to it and what I always tell people you can

[00:31:51] go on our fighting for truckers like you can send a message to any of your lawmakers from your state all at federal and assume them at a time to change something or to maybe they will make it different as you can put something on

[00:32:06] a social media complaining about it it's never going to make a difference you're doing it yeah not sure you know that's the thing when it goes to speed limiters and these are the regulations out there right now parking

[00:32:18] money more parking and stuff you not to pick up the phone and reach to you out to your mom maker because it does work I've seen it and you know your trucker say well I don't talk to a lawmaker I don't know these rules I

[00:32:31] don't know how this stuff works you don't have to just like lawmakers don't know how truckers work that you said your guys only as good as the community around him the only way he knows if you tell me you know there's only two

[00:32:47] lawmakers that I know that it's we're truck drivers or no anything about trucks the rest of the phone and some down there they don't know any about trucks so the only way they hear about trucks is what people tell them now again it

[00:32:58] either is lots of people telling them things you go against truckers yes they're trucker and tell them what goes against you or what really works and they want to hear real well stuff right this one that's right now real

[00:33:12] quick before you go I want to ask you about the broker transparency regulation with the language that the broker transparency regulation has in it I think it has a lot of truck and community a little confused on what that

[00:33:28] really means on whether if they get a low through a broker and they sit for eight hours and they don't get detention that that regulation helps them and so I'm just looking at it is that it just goes about a rate could you simplify

[00:33:46] that for our audience please yes sure I mean this whole broker transparency thing really started to see daylight in 2020 when you know the rates fell and we this rule's been on the books and say we petitioned FMCSA in 2020

[00:34:04] go out to put something on this rule or rule upon this rule and how they're going to enforce this rule because they have it's been known for us in this rule and what we've seen happen is brokers and their broker care agreements

[00:34:20] are making truckers sign a way they're right to the regulation we don't feel that any private company has the right or legal ground to make any other company waiver right to a law a federal law I mean I can't hire you to drive

[00:34:39] my truck and sign a waiver that you're not going to follow our as a service you're going to follow the views I was a service yeah do that so we don't think brokers can do that legally so that's pretty much asked for from FMCSA

[00:34:55] we also ask for the fact that brokers kid would have to provide this and I think 48 hours in electronic transaction because as we all know you can sign broker care agreements and do all this stuff electronically nowadays

[00:35:11] because the other thing we see is okay they'll let you do it you can call and say hey I want to see the rates and all this stuff but what they do is

[00:35:23] say you have to come to my office okay well if you're a trucker no high and running a little bit more to the brokers and California you're not going to go to his office it's just and they know that so yeah quick background of

[00:35:37] kind of what this is you are kind of everybody's a little right what the rule really states is anybody who's a party of the transaction the the hall which would be the chipper the receiver the broker and the trucker they have

[00:35:54] a right to see all the all of what was paid so if you want to load and you're being detained for 10 hours if you didn't have that in your broker care agreement prior to taking a load then it ain't going to help yeah it's just

[00:36:11] that simple okay where it's going to help you is you all load you feel that this load should have paid $4,000 to you maybe the broker took way more percentage than what you feel correctly and you see you can look at this and it will

[00:36:29] show you what they look completely paid it will show you if there's your search charge if there's detention time it will show you if all that money is in there and it you just wave that or didn't get it your broker or carry your

[00:36:42] agreement but it's not it's not going to get it it's not going to give you that money if you didn't have in your broker carry me to agree with in the first place now if you had in your broker carry agreement and they didn't pay you the

[00:36:54] money it's if they didn't get it but you see that they did well now you have a leg to stand on to see you get that money because it's there the other thing we see there's a certain broker out there there's a three letter and everybody

[00:37:10] loves to hate and I have to get what we see it on office a lot of times after a guy delivers a leg and has a clean bill lady to no problems a couple weeks later they hit him with a charge yeah

[00:37:26] $500,000 whatever and you can't but they don't give you any proof of why they just say that the consign here wherever they they start a clean on this live but they don't prove to you where's so again they won't be able to

[00:37:45] do stuff like that and we feel like some of that's fraudulent mainly because it's usually an even number and I mean we all know today's world nothing's ever been it's like 500 or 1000 or so we feel there's some fraudulent activity

[00:37:59] going there but again when you sign their contract you wave your right of the transparency rule and all that stuff so there's no way you'll need to find out at this point and that's why we've petitioned FMCSA for this matter just so

[00:38:17] truckers I mean you know we've heard all kinds of things this will re-regulate rates and you know truckers are gonna know or all these out price from the broker community but no this is after the fact you've delivered

[00:38:31] a load it's to give the trucker at least a fair shake of knowing whether 's being cheated or not you know you heard the broker say all the time when things are about well I'm gonna take my money up and pay more money on my pocket to get

[00:38:45] that load well that's true you can have you can show us in your transfers that's right that's right okay yeah well that was well said Mr. Jane did you have any additional question now everything I had to say he answered everything well and we

[00:39:07] definitely appreciate you for coming in and taking out the time with us my pleasure gentlemen and thank you for having me love to be back on any time don't hesitate to reach out you know enjoy talking to you guys enjoy talking

[00:39:20] about truckers joy getting a word out about all the idea if you can truckers out there calling that question again don't hesitate to give me back on what to talk about them and most importantly thanks well be happy

[00:39:32] myself and everyone here though idea I just want to thank all the truckers out there and hope you're having safe days get on your family safe and thanks for keeping this country rolling thank you so much alright you were thank you